Celts, Ogham, Tarka the Otter, Jordan Peterson, Dark Night of the Soul

 

 

 

 

 

 

This book, which appears for the first time on the Internet at sacred-texts.com, is one of the best scholarly treatments of the ancient Celtic religion. Written early in the 20th Century, Religion of the Ancient Celts includes extensive treatment of that perennially fascinating subject, the Druids.

There is very little documentary evidence to go on. In particular, we have no actual sacred texts of the ancient Celts, as their texts were transmitted orally only to initiates, and disappeared forever when the last Druid died. Christianity became the dominant religion in the Celtic area before the oral traditions could become written down, unlike the Vedas in India. Ancient Celtic religious beliefs must therefore be inferred from second-hand classical accounts, hints from Celtic mythology, legend and folklore, as well as archaeological and comparative anthropological evidence. MacCulloch marshals this body of evidence, extensively footnoted, so that an authoritative and clear view of ancient Celtic religion emerges.

MacCullough details the Celtic belief in reincarnation and a spectral otherworld; documents the enormous pantheon of now-obscure gods and goddesses, including many local deities; and describes totemistic and animistic beliefs. In addition, MacCulloch does not flinch (nor sensationalize) when describing the darker side of Celtic practices, including the famous ‘Burning Man’ human sacrifices, cannibalism and exogamous incest.

With so much spurious, flawed and poorly cited information floating around on the Internet about Celtic beliefs, it is important to review what is actually known about this subject. Hopefully putting this book online will provide some balance.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/rac/index.htm

 

https://soundcloud.com/britishacademy/robert-graves-and-the-white-goddess

 

Ogham Translator, Transliterator, Transcriber — what’s the difference?

Ogham is not a language, but an alphabet. Much like the English language uses the Latin alphabet, the ancient Irish spoke Primitive Irish and used the Ogham alphabet.

A translator translates from one language to another, whereas a transliterator or transcriber converts letters from one alphabet to the corresponding letters of another alphabet.

This tool simply converts Latin characters (eg. ABC) to Ogham symbols (eg. ᚐᚁᚉ) – this is called transliteration. This tool does not translate from English to Primitive Irish and there is no such translator in existence.

If you are looking for examples of the Primitive Irish language as used with Ogham, please see the Wiki article Ogham inscriptions.

http://nuacht1.com/ogham/

 

link to almost 80 photographic examples of ogham inscribed stones

  • Any wood carvings have of course long vanished: the Celtic runes are known principally from inscriptions cut on the edges of rough standing gravestones. These are found primarily in west Ireland, but they have also been found in Wales, Cornwall, western Scotland, the Isle of Man, and the Shetland Islands.
  • The Irish had no other written alphabet until Christian missionaries introduced Latin (though runes may have also been used).
  • Ogham ceased to be used after the first few centuries of the Christian era, as the use of inscription languages (like runes and ogham) was reviled as a pagan practice.

http://www.lyberty.com/ogham/oghamintro.html

 

The Ogham script recorded the earliest Old Irish texts dating between the 3rd and the 6th century CE. Ogham inscriptions are found exclusively in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Mostly they are genealogical inscriptions in the form of “X son of Y” on corners of large stone slabs. After the 6th century CE, Old Irish was written with the Roman alphabet, and Ogham disappeared from general but the knowledge must have been preserved in some form because our knowledge of Ogham comes from the chapter Auraicept na n-Éces in the 15th-century work The Book of Ballymote (Leabhar Bhaile an Mhóta), which also contains geneologies, mythologies, and histories of Ireland.

Various opinions exist on the exact origin of ogham. Some claim that it stemmed from a cryptic way of writing runes, some say that it was inspired from the Roman alphabet, and yet others hold that it was independently invented.

The Ogham letters are divided into four groups, each containing five letters. This yields a total of 20 Ogham letters.

When inscribed on stones, Ogham is written vertically from bottom to top. The following chart lists all Ogham letters in their vertical forms, along with their Old Irish names and meanings.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ogham.html

 

Following is my interview with Conor about Ogham. After reading the interview, if you still have questions, feel free to leave them in the comments below!

http://gaelic.co/ogham/

 

http://www.megalithicireland.com/Ogham%20Stones%20Page%201.htm

 

Wales has the greatest number of Ogham stones of any region outside of Ireland (35 stones with definite Ogham inscriptions), but as can be seen from the map below, they are unevenly distributed, with large numbers in the south-west and the south-east, and only a handful in the north :

http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Blog/2010/03/ogham-stones-of-wales.html

 

Ogham inscriptions in Ireland, Wales, and Scotland

by Ferguson, Samuel, Sir, 1810-1886

 

https://archive.org/details/oghaminscription00ferguoft

 

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HW was also a great admirer of The Story of a Red Deer by Sir John Fortescue, younger brother of the Earl Fortescue, whose family seat was nearby at Castle Hill, in the tiny hamlet of Filleigh, North Devon, on the southern edge of Exmoor. In early 1925 HW asked Walter de la Mare if he would approach Sir John on his behalf to ask if he would be willing to write an introduction to Tarka. This approach proving successful, in due course HW sent off a typescript copy of his book to Sir John.

A letter from Sir John (from Windsor Castle, where he was librarian) dated 4 May 1925 (two days before HW’s marriage to Loetitia Hibbert – thus HW probably received it on the morning of his wedding, giving him much needed confidence) states:

I return your story . . . I read it once & liked it well; twice & liked it better. I am willing to write a little introduction for you . . . but I think the book striking enough to stand without need of any such prop. You have taught me more about otters than I ever dreamed of, & of many other creatures besides otters . . .

Sir John does suggest HW avoids ‘outlandish words’ and gives a couple of examples (‘autochthonic’ being one!). Sir John was currently writing a multi-volume History of the British Army and his work as Royal Librarian was quite arduous. One letter refers to ‘editing George III’s papers, & there are tens of thousands of them’. Another has a ‘PS’ written across a corner:

I reckon that my history has brought me in ¾d a line gross. I could never make my living with my pen – you can. [Permission to quote from Sir John’s letters was given by the Fortescue Estate at the time of my HW biography.]

On return from the honeymoon trip to the battlefields HW was busy honing and refining his story. The file of business letters shows that he was also looking for the best publishing deal possible, once again taking this on himself instead of leaving it to his agent, Andrew Dakers. I have already explained the problems that arose with Collins (see The Pathway entry), his original publishers. By September 1925 HW had placed this new book with Selwyn & Blount, but then Richard de la Mare (who had been best man at his wedding) warned him that the firm was in financial difficulties, and he withdrew. The book was finally placed with Putnam (who were also publishing The Old Stag).

HW now went over all the details again, walking the river banks, visiting the various places where the major scenes were set and undertaking a great deal of revision to his tale. He noted details such as the plants growing in various places, and made diagrams of terrain to aid him with descriptions. For instance he walked up to Cranmere Pool (a remote, wild, boggy area high on Dartmoor, only reached with some difficulty) accompanied by his wife’s younger brother (Robert, but known as ‘Bin’ as if ‘Robin’: he features in the future Chronicle novels as ‘Sam’).

https://www.henrywilliamson.co.uk/bibliography/a-lifes-work/tarka-the-otter#book

The Charles Tunnicliffe illustrated Tarka was published later that year with 23 full page woodcuts and 16 line drawings as ‘tail-pieces’: the illustrated The Old Stag appeared in February 1933; The Lone Swallows later that same year; and The Peregrine’s Saga in February 1934. (There were many reprints of these books, including, in 1945, a new uniform limited edition of 500 copies each.) Tunnicliffe had never before drawn falcons at close quarters. HW sent him off to a professional falconer in August 1933. The artist was totally overwhelmed by this bird, sending HW a letter headed with his first sketch of the head of a peregrine (see AW’s biography, Henry Williamson: Tarka and the Last Romantic, p. 150) which is so powerful that the bird seems alive.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/654647.Tarka_the_Otter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarka_the_Otter

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The awesome Jordan Peterson. I do like listening to him.

 

Dr. Jordan B Peterson has been a dishwasher, gas jockey, bartender, short-order cook, beekeeper, oil derrick bit re-tipper, plywood mill labourer and railway line worker. He’s taught mythology to lawyers, doctors and businessmen, consulted for the UN Secretary General’s High Level Panel on Sustainable Development, helped his clinical clients manage depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety, and schizophrenia, served as an advisor to senior partners of major Canadian law firms, identified thousands of promising entrepreneurs on six different continents, and lectured extensively in North America and Europe.

He has flown a hammer-head roll in a carbon-fiber stunt plane, piloted a mahogany racing sailboat around Alcatraz Island, explored an Arizona meteorite crater with a group of astronauts, built a Native American Long-House on the upper floor of his Toronto home, and been inducted into the coastal Pacific Kwakwaka’wakw tribe.

With his students and colleagues, Dr. Peterson has published more than a hundred scientific papers, transforming the modern understanding of personality, and revolutionized the psychology of religion with his now-classic book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief. As a Harvard professor, he was nominated for the prestigious Levinson Teaching Prize, and is regarded by his current University of Toronto students as one of three truly life-changing teachers.

https://jordanbpeterson.com/

In 1999, Routledge published Peterson’s Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief. The book, which took Peterson 13 years to complete, describes a comprehensive theory for how we construct meaning, represented by the mythical process of the exploratory hero, and provides an interpretation of religious and mythical models of reality presented in a way that is compatible with modern scientific understanding of how the brain works. It synthesizes ideas drawn from narratives in mythology, religion, literature and philosophy, as well as research from neuropsychology, in “the classic, old-fashioned tradition of social science.”

Something we cannot see protects us from something we do not understand. The thing we cannot see is culture, in its intrapsychic or internal manifestation. The thing we do not understand is the chaos that gave rise to culture. If the structure of culture is disrupted, unwittingly, chaos returns. We will do anything — anything — to defend ourselves against that return.

—Jordan B. Peterson, 1998 (Descensus ad Inferos)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

On Quora, Jordan Peterson was asked this question:

“What are the most valuable things everyone should know?”

Instead of answering in a long essay, he wrote 40 maxims that I’ve presented below.

Before you read, keep in mind that these maxims are not your ordinary list of self-help tips.

They are simple. They are short. But they contain within each of them decades of study and thought.

Jordan Peterson said in his video entitled 45 minutes on a single paragraph of Nietzsche’s Beyond Good & Evil:

http://highexistence.com/jordan-peterson-rules-living/

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Both these chapters have contributed to the reputation of St. John of the Cross as a consummate spiritual master. And this not only for the objective value of his observations, but because, even in spite of himself, he betrays the sublimity of his own mystical experiences. Once more, too, we may admire the crystalline transparency of his teaching and the precision of the phrases in which he clothes it. To judge by his language alone, one might suppose at times that he is speaking of mathematical, rather than of spiritual operations.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.iv.html

Nowhere else does the genius of St. John of the Cross for infusing philosophy into his mystical dissertations find such an outlet as here. Nowhere else, again, is he quite so appealingly human; for, though he is human even in his loftiest and sublimest passages, this intermingling of philosophy with mystical theology makes him seem particularly so. These treatises are a wonderful illustration of the theological truth that grace, far from destroying nature, ennobles and dignifies it, and of the agreement always found between the natural and the supernatural—between the principles of sound reason and the sublimest manifestations of Divine grace.

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I think that being kind, gentle, compassionate, courteous, considerate, tolerant towards others, is virtuous, ‘a good thing’.

On the other hand, what do you do if, through no fault of your own, some of those others are determined to injure you, kill those you love, drive you off your land ?

Frida Kahlo – Tree of Hope Remain Strong

Being generous and gentle towards them is not going to work. There comes a point when either you give up, surrender all responsibility for those you should defend and for your property and heritage, or else, whether you like it or not, you are obligated to act and defend yourself.

That means becoming more fierce, deadly, ruthless, clever, than the other guy, or else they win the conflict and that’s the end of  you and yours.

There’s nothing new about this dilemma, it’s been going on for thousands of years. It’s been addressed in the Bible, the ancient Chinese writings, by Buddha, by Shakespeare, all sorts of folk have had to face up to it.

You can try appeasement, like the Danegeld paid to the Viking marauders, but if you pay someone not to attack you it’s like being taxed by the Mafia, it’s never going to stop and will likely get worse.

To willingly pay taxes people have to be persuaded to consent on the grounds that it is in the interests of the common good, almost everyone benefits. That’d be things like a fire service, hospitals and ambulance services, roads, places to care for widows and orphans, that sort of thing. And police and soldiers.

It all makes sense at a certain scale. It’s obviously beneficial to pool the available funds of a community, whatever surplus there is above what folk rely upon to survive, and use those funds for things like say building a bridge across a dangerous ravine that’ll save travellers time and effort having to go many extra miles.

It’s easy to propose a convincing argument in such simple cases where the taxed community is of a certain size and they can persuaded of the general benefit. It gets tricky when it’s scaled up to hundreds of millions over vast areas governed by authorities of dubious virtue.

Even in a tiny region like Wales, with only around three million inhabitants, it’ll be difficult to persuade everyone to contribute some of their income towards the common good, and so some kind of threat is required to get people to pay taxes.

In the United Kingdom we’ve had at least a thousand years, you could argue far longer, to sort these kinds of dilemmas out and find optimal solutions. That’s why we have police and health and welfare services. So that we don’t have to step over rotting corpses in the streets, and women and children can – mostly – walk around without being robbed, raped, or abducted. There are plenty of parts of the world where the people, for a variety of reasons, are unable to organise this luxury.

I once met a market trader, in England, who took pride in the fact that he paid his taxes several years in advance, without any legal requirement to do so. He liked to see himself as someone who contributed more than most toward the general prosperity of all. He was a Tory voter.

 

 

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312 Responses to Celts, Ogham, Tarka the Otter, Jordan Peterson, Dark Night of the Soul

  1. ulvfugl says:

    Thus far I have heard nothing in the left wing anti-gun media that answers my questions.
    Nevertheless, CNN, MSNBC, etc. were “all over” the WH press secretary today trying to drive Trumo toward gun control legislation.
    And then there is Hillary, who tweeted today some nonsense about “silencers.” IMO as a practitioner of war it would have made no difference whatever to the occurrence of this horrible crime if the shooter nut had had silencers on all his weapons, whatever they were. pl

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/10/what-were-the-guns-at-las-vegas-and-did-this-man-own-them-legally.html

  2. ulvfugl says:

    European ancient DNA – the movie
    by EDWARD PEGLER on 1 OCTOBER, 2017
    We have learned loads from the autosomal DNA analyses of Europe’s ancient populations which have poured out of Harvard and other universities in the last two years. Europe was a restless place, changing people more than some of us would have guessed. Here’s the movie adaptation.

    http://armchairprehistory.com/2017/10/01/european-ancient-dna-the-movie/

  3. ulvfugl says:

    CBS has fired one of its top lawyers after she took to social media to explain why she was “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-02/cbs-fires-exec-who-slammed-vegas-dead-country-music-fans-whore-often-gun-toting-repu

    This disgusting individual was not alone, however, as a number of apparently left-leaning Americans took to Twitter to seemingly celebrate the massacereof ‘white Trump supporters’. As Paul Joseph Watson noted, an anti-Trump activist with the Twitter name ‘Ann #TheResistance’ who is also a teacher reacted to the deadliest mass shooting in American history by tweeting, “Lots of white Trump supporters in Las Vegas at route 21 watching Jason aldean. Pray only Trumptards died! #prayforvegas.”

    greenskeeper carl So Close Oct 2, 2017 4:59 PM
    “Geftman-Gold” huh? Man, a hyphenated leftist name that sounds jewish. Wow. Surprised CBS fired her, with those two ‘credentials’ she is about perfect for the MSM.

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    Sweet Chicken greenskeeper carl Oct 2, 2017 5:01 PM
    Every. Single. Time.

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    Bigly Sweet Chicken Oct 2, 2017 5:14 PM
    Erin Silber is too.

    Muh Raf Manthong Oct 2, 2017 6:39 PM
    Oh yeah, she’s a socialist socialite society jewess whose wedding even made it into the NYT a mere decade ago http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/fashion/weddings/28Lattman.html
    How the 0.1% live. What I loath about this entire outburst is the TOTAL failure of the MSM in raising this little snake’s religio-ethnicity, whereas if a Muslim had made the same statement the first two words in every headline would read “Muslim says…”

    Muh Raf Manthong Oct 2, 2017 6:39 PM
    Oh yeah, she’s a socialist socialite society jewess whose wedding even made it into the NYT a mere decade ago http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/fashion/weddings/28Lattman.html How the 0.1% live. What I loath about this entire outburst is the TOTAL failure of the MSM in raising this little snake’s religio-ethnicity, whereas if a Muslim had made the same statement the first two words in every headline would read “Muslim says…”

  4. ulvfugl says:

    Oh Moon of Alabama mammy forgot to tell you this is looking a lot like another Deep State false Flag.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-02/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-vegas-attack-says-paddock-converted-islam-months

    Kudos to ZeroHedge showing Rita Katz tweets that the shooter was Islamic State aka ISIS. Rita always gets all the earliest tweets and beheading videos from ISIS. Anything Rita katz says is a lie and it usually involves the fake Deep State/NATo/Israel/McCain/NeoCon fiction called ISIS.

    Posted by: Biz Boy | Oct 2, 2017 2:01:21 PM | 6

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/another-day-another-us-mass-shooting.html#comments

    Let me get this straight. He brought in TEN guns over three days (where they in their cases or broken down and hidden?) into the Mandalay hotel (with all those cameras)and nobody saw anything? BS. I’ve been to Vegas three times and stayed at the Luxor (been through walkway with shops/restaurants from the Luxor to Mandalay)which is connected to the Mandalay. Too many things are going on at the same time. One thing happens, MSN talks about it for about a week then they are onto the next thing. What ever happened to hurricane Harvey? No ones talking about that anymore. People in Texas are talking about the FEMA camps and people disappearing never to be heard from again. I don’t like guns. It’s a personal choice but I support the 2nd amendment and this feels like another attempt at going after the right to bear arms and anyone who was in the military.

    Posted by: NewYorker | Oct 2, 2017 2:06:34 PM | 8

    Take a look at this exterior photo of the Mandaley Bay hotel provided by NBC news (see: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/10/01/32nd%20floor_0.jpeg ). We see a broken window from two different rooms on the 32nd floor of the hotel.

    Now let’s take a virtual tour of a 550 square foot luxury room in the hotel (see: https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/hotel/resort-king.html ). We see there are two adjacent floor-to-ceiling windows. Referring back to the NBC photo, we can estimate there are at least 4 rooms in between the rooms with the broken windows.

    It asks the question, “Can a lone gunman run between two different rooms to shoot automatic fire at a crowd in the late evening (10:00pm est) hundreds of yards below the floor?” The second question even more incredulous is, “Why would he/she take such measures?”

    I don’t believe the “lone gunman” theory at all. We must look elsewhere for answers to this most horrific crime.
    Posted by: PokeTheTruth | Oct 2, 2017 3:02:36 PM | 30

    Two windows…I don’t believe the “lone gunman” theory at all. We must look elsewhere for answers to this most horrific crime.
    Posted by: PokeTheTruth | Oct 2, 2017 3:02:36 PM | 30
    I think you may be right,for now that the Pentagon has eliminated all of Trump’s chosen staff, my guess is the deep state is getting back to its Obama era agenda, starting with ending the second amendment. You know; to keep us safe.

    Posted by: frances | Oct 2, 2017 3:58:35 PM | 48

    Really shocked that a lot of posters here are actually buying/believing the MSM narrative here.
    Actually jaw dropping shocked.

    Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 2, 2017 4:26:27 PM | 56

    The whole story about Stephen Paddock smells fishy. He’s 64 years of age, retired, apparently well-off and with an otherwise squeaky clean police record. He’s reclusive but many men aged 60+ years are loners. Could there be a possibility that Paddock was set up as a patsy or that his ID papers were stolen? Perhaps his girlfriend should be a person of interest for the police.

    The ISIS connection is very odd too and it’s possible that whoever was behind that ISIS tweet jumped the, er … gun, so to speak. People may well start to see ISIS for what it is now: something (by whom?) to whip the public into panicked hysteria with.

    Posted by: Jen | Oct 2, 2017 5:49:26 PM | 67

  5. ulvfugl says:

    Caring405 0 points (+0|-0) 1.2 hours ago
    Shooting came from 3rd floor. opps! those pesky cell phones!

    permalink

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2166146

  6. ulvfugl says:

  7. ulvfugl says:

    5,000 years ago, the Yamnaya culture migrated into Europe from the Caspian steppe. In addition to innovations such as the wagon and dairy production, they brought a new language — Indo-European — that replaced most local languages the following millennia. But local cultures also influenced the new language, particularly in southern Scandinavia, where Neolithic farmers made lasting contributions to Indo-European vocabulary before their own language went extinct, new research shows.

    Most historical linguists agree that words such as ‘wheel’, ‘wagon’, ‘horse’, ‘sheep’, ‘cow’, ‘milk’ and ‘wool’ can be attributed to the Yamnaya people who migrated into Europe from the Caspian steppe 5,000 years ago. The nomadic and pastoral Yamnayans introduced their material culture to the local peoples through a new language known as Proto-Indo-European, from which most European languages descend.

    However, not all words in the European languages are of Proto-Indo-European origin, linguists say; there are words for flora and fauna, which must have been incorporated into Indo-European from local cultures. But where could such cultural exchange have taken place?

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/scandinavias-earliest-farmers-exchanged.html

  8. ulvfugl says:

    Richardstevenhack said…
    According to a New York Times report…

    “Among the weapons authorities discovered were two rifles with scopes on tripods positioned in front of the two windows that had been broken out, a law enforcement official said.”

    “Tripods” or “bipods” – there’s a difference – probably unknown to the NYT.

    “Benjamin Paddock [perp’s father] was convicted of serial bank robbery in 1961, according to news reports from the time. After he escaped from prison, he was on the F.B.I.’s “Top 10” most wanted list for much of the 1970s”

    Good ol’ efficient FBI…

    Where he got some of the guns…

    Quote

    Christopher Sullivan, general manager of Guns & Guitars, a gun shop in Mesquite, Nev., said he was awakened at 4 a.m. Monday by a telephone call from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, which was tracing Mr. Paddock’s guns.

    Mr. Sullivan confirmed that Mr. Paddock had bought three guns at his shop — a handgun and two rifles — within the last year. All the purchases were legal and cleared routine federal screening, Mr. Sullivan said.

    “The man does not have a criminal history,” Mr. Sullivan said of Mr. Paddock.

    Mr. Sullivan, who said he had also been contacted by the F.B.I. and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, would not provide detailed descriptions of the guns. “We have cooperated with local and federal authorities,” he said.

    End Quote

    “Video of the shooting captured nine seconds of continuous rapid fire, followed by 37 seconds of silence from the weapon and panicked screaming from the crowd. Gunfire then erupted again in at least two more bursts, both shorter than the first.”

    I don’t understand how he wounded 500 people with that level of fire, even considering he was firing into a mass crowd. However one of the country singers said this:

    “‘This is not an exaggeration: This shooting was going on for at least 10 minutes,’ he added. ‘“It was nonstop.'”

    That might indicate a high body count – assuming the witness is anywhere close to accurate with his time count. If the shooter did have ten rifles, and assuming they were ARs (more likely than AKs) with thirty round magazines, and assuming he didn’t bother to reload until all ten magazines were empty, he could get off three hundred rounds in that time if he wasn’t actually aiming.

    However, his brother claims the shooter wasn’t a “gun nut” at all and had no training. There’s no indication – so far – that he had range time.

    “SWAT units swarmed the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay, closing in on the source of the shooting, a room on the 32nd floor where they found the gunman with “in excess of 10 rifles,” the sheriff said.”

    We only know of two rifles, which matches what he bought legally. Where did the other eight come from, if they existed?

    I think it’s unlikely at this point that he had fully automatic weapons, since they are not that easy to get if you don’t have significant criminal contacts and there’s no indication of thefts in the area (Las Vegas has a gun range where you can shoot full automatic weapons – it’s done every year at the DefCon computer security conference.)

    Clinton trying to derail the legislation now in Congress to take suppressors out of the NFA status is no surprise. Suppressors definitely would have made no difference, since suppressors just reduce a few decibels off the report of a weapon, they don’t “silence” them like in the movies.

    Adam Garrie at The Duran notes the parallels between this attack and one in Manila a few months ago:

    Las Vegas shooting has eerie parallels to a recent attack that the media won’t tell you about

    http://theduran.com/las-vegas-shooting-has-eerie-parallels-to-a-recent-attack-that-the-media-wont-tell-you-about/

    Reply 02 October 2017 at 04:26 PM

    b said…
    The WSJ just put out a piece that answers some of the questions.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/las-vegas-suspect-likely-used-automatic-rifle-in-massacre-1506966716?mg=prod/accounts-wsj

    Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms in alleged gunman’s hotel room

    /quote/
    Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic, … The weapons included AR-15-style and AK-47-style rifles as well as a large cache of ammunition, the official said.

    [The terrorist* possibly used] a trigger crank or a Bump Fire, which uses a combination of forward movement and recoil to engage the trigger rapidly. Such accessories are far cheaper and easier to obtain than an automatic weapon.

    Many local law-enforcement officials refuse to approve the transfer of machine guns … As a workaround, gun owners have obtained them through the use of trusts, legal entities that don’t require permission from sheriffs or police chiefs.

    The number of gun trusts jumped from 840 in 2000 to 40,700 in 2012, as they became more widely known and promoted, prompting ATF to update its regulations.
    /endquote/

    *Under Nevada law definition this incident was undoubtedly terrorism and the man a terrorist.

    Nevada is rather lax with any gun control.
    The man had no past crime record and was a reasonably well off retiree (acc. to WaPo). He likely would have past ATF scrutiny. He also had enough money to buy some old but expensive registered full automatics.
    Reply

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/10/what-were-the-guns-at-las-vegas-and-did-this-man-own-them-legally.html

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  11. Ghostwheel says:

    The plot thickens:

  12. ulvfugl says:

    Thanks G.

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  13. ulvfugl says:

    @ 93

    I Agree. Why would one shooter with a good view of the event waste time moving to another location that looks farther than the confines of one hotel room when he was obviously in a hurry to kill as many people as possible? Why would a multi-millionaire, living with a partner, who enjoyed his poker and could afford it, do a thing like that? And in his 60’s with no previous? How did he get the weapons up the room?

    I find the brother’s behaviour in interview unconvincing. There is a lot of eye movement and jerking of the head, a bit reminiscent of the pathologist at Sandy Hook. There’s even a little joke – he ate burritos, as if pre-scripted. He told us he was in shock but he didn’t seem to act like he was. I think if my brother was dead after massacring so many people my head would be down in shame and in sorrow. I would avoid eye contact. I would mumble. I would be devastated.

    Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 2, 2017 10:07:42 PM | 107

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/another-day-another-us-mass-shooting/comments/page/2/#comments

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    DevilChildReRaZiZap 0 points (+0|-0) 2.6 hours ago
    @Blacksmith21 That’s why we have people in pink NASA t-shirts running around from the JPL

    Let take another look at this message from Stratfor just hours before the Vegas happening

    Hello Comrades,
    Today I bring you Pizz*a from Stratfor. They say it takes a burning bush and a unicorn before we are merited a look at God but I’m not so sure about all that religious stuff. Instead I read Stratfor emails and think about the destiny of man.
    One day, I came across this email and thought, I bet those pizzagaters would find interest in this, so I copied it down and kept it in a small refrigerator by my desk, where I keep all my memes fresh.
    Would you believe, today, of all days, is the day, I feel motivated to share it with you? The main character of the story is a little creature called David, who lives inside the paper cabinets of Stratfor and only comes out once a week, when his parents, who pretty much run the united states, leave DMT rocks around the offices of Stratfor. We can’t all be lucky enough to have weekly DMT hunts, the rest of us just have to smoke our own pineal glands and hope for the best.
    So let’s take a look at this email and what the elves were really trying to tell us
    Re: Gray if you ever so much as criticize me again I will hurt you intentionally.
    I killed Osama Bin Ladin as the scapegoat from your dad’s childhood for his and mine bombing the Pentagon and WTC’s, believe me… I’m sure he has mentioned it to you and laughed
    Gray aspires to be more fascist like Branden Lee Allen wishes he was more Indian when he takes mushrooms but doesn’t know that they were from India who did that. Just, stupid motherfucking confused dead people. I would kick Gray’s ass too
    I happen to know Gray works with several CIA agents. haha. That’s funny.

    Strafor Employee drops bomb prior to Las Vegas happening by hours…

    permalink

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2166178

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    False Flag Validated: Shots Fired from 4th Floor, NOT 32nd (Video proof conclusive)
    Posted on October 2, 2017 by State of the Nation

    See the muzzle flashes in the video (right above the arrow) somewhat synchronized with the sounds of the rifle shots

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85244

    Seems to me that there might have been shots from the 4th AND 32nd, and the two smashed windows are on yet another floor ?
    Maybe it’s like Kiev, Ukraine, when there were several shooters brought in and then whipped out again whilst the blame was placed on others.
    Perhaps Paddock was used as a patsy.

    bamawatson WordSmith2013 Oct 2, 2017 9:38 PM
    3 hours of Vegas Police Dispatch Tapes MISSING

    http://www.wellaware1.com/wp-content/uploads/missing-time.jpg

    138’s picture
    138 aliens is here Oct 2, 2017 7:03 PM
    Why have we not heard more about the the girl saying that she saw a woman come to the front row of the concert saying that “we were all gonna die tonight” about 45 minutes before the shooting started?

    Maximeme Q’s picture
    Maximeme Q 138 Oct 2, 2017 8:47 PM
    Great question and here’s the answer.

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-mind-control-flicker-effect/

    Sanity Bear Big Twinkie Oct 2, 2017 2:45 PM
    In the meantime, look what slipped onto the wire, including new and interesting facts such as the timing (exactly as I suspected) and the targets (exactly as I suspected). Perhaps the source of the attacks is also as I suspect.

    > HAVANA (AP) — Frightening attacks on U.S. personnel in Havana struck the heart of America’s spy network in Cuba, with

    —–> intelligence operatives < ------- NEW FACT among the first and most severely affected victims, The Associated Press has learned. It wasn't until U.S. spies, posted to the embassy under diplomatic cover, reported hearing bizarre sounds and experiencing even stranger physical effects that the United States realized something was wrong, individuals familiar with the situation said. While ------> the attacks started within days of President Donald Trump’s surprise election in November, < -------- NEW FACT the precise timeline remains unclear, including whether intelligence officers were the first victims hit or merely the first victims to report it. The U.S. has called the situation "ongoing." ---------- These New Facts(tm) are most interesting aren't they. We now return you to oh look a squirrel. TuPhat's picture TuPhat Big Twinkie Oct 2, 2017 9:36 PM He had something to with it. He was the patsy that died. The gunshots don't sound right. My M16 on full auto fired much faster than that. It sounded more like a chainsaw when on full auto than what was in the video. That sounded more like an M16 with a blank adapter firing blanks. Maybe someone who has been in the military more recently can verify what an M4 sounds like. Do they fire more slowly? My first reaction is that something stinks about this whole thing. chubbar HopefulCynical Oct 2, 2017 6:54 PM We are all assuming the guy did it, but he is dead and can't defend himself. What if he was set up, killed and the real shooters scrammed into another close by room prior to the police booting in the door? Max Hunter Reichstag Fire Dept. Oct 2, 2017 12:19 PM You don't know any of that to be the truth. That is what we are told. What if he was attending the concert, was drugged, has his room taken over by "people" and a few people shot from the window... Shot him, and left before the cops got there.. This would be easy to fake.. way too easy.. Nostradumbass's picture Nostradumbass Max Hunter Oct 2, 2017 12:39 PM It just shows you that anything is possible and that the 'official' story can never be trusted. SybilDefense's picture SybilDefense Reichstag Fire Dept. Oct 2, 2017 2:43 PM Because in order for this disaster to be fully useful to the left, it must be shown that all rifles and handguns are used in killing the innocent. If you are going to orchestrate a gun grab, you should probably have one of each at the scene so they too can be added for the call to ban. Squirrel plinker = AK = BAN All guns. What is the chance this guy just came from a few days at the local gun show, bought a few new toys and a bulk discount on 1000 rounds. He was sitting in his room, bored, maybe having a soda and outside his window was all those people! He starts thinking "ya know, I bought all these SHTF guns over the years and I'm almost 70... I'll probably never get the chance to really try them out. Wonder how many I could drop from this room right now if I loaded up a few mags and unleashed a few on that crowd below??? Hmmmm? Probably a shitload. Well, wtf... Let's See. One... Two... 3-4.... 567... 8... There's one running.... 10... No premeditation, just acting on an F'd up impulse because he thinks... there's really nothing left to live for all that exciting and with the gov and MSM both lying to all the people all the time, what the hell. Let's see what this one with the 50 Rd drum can do. After the first crack he was in full F You mode. Or else he could of called the Doll House or Red Horse brothel... Like the rest of the normal lame ass losers do. Just saying. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. techpriest's picture techpriest Miffed Microbiologist Oct 2, 2017 10:33 AM Miffed, The Secret Service did a study on this type of shooter. Usually there is a 6-month "decomposition" period where the person isolates himself from society to sufficiently radicalize. A normal person who has regular, normal contact with other people is incapable of this sort of violence. John Kerry-Heinz's picture John Kerry-Heinz techpriest Oct 2, 2017 10:48 AM Sure rings like MK ultra baby, MK ultra. Always convenient and clean end to an operation when the shooter offs themselves just as the Police arrives. It’s like that’s the programmed trigger event to end the op. Who knows, maybe he just hated country music fans at a Las Vegas concert, right? Perhaps the MIC taking out Houston wasn't enough satisfaction for them? This shooting just happens to occur on the day the Catalonia violence and vote to begin the collapse of the EU dictatorship was evident for all to see? Look a squirrel! Sick shit. genewatson's picture genewatson John Kerry-Heinz Oct 2, 2017 7:43 PM Then too, there's the one (and only one) news report that states he worked for Lockheed Martin.

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    chubbar HopefulCynical Oct 2, 2017 6:54 PM
    We are all assuming the guy did it, but he is dead and can’t defend himself. What if he was set up, killed and the real shooters scrammed into another close by room prior to the police booting in the door?

    Max Hunter Reichstag Fire Dept. Oct 2, 2017 12:19 PM
    You don’t know any of that to be the truth. That is what we are told. What if he was attending the concert, was drugged, has his room taken over by “people” and a few people shot from the window… Shot him, and left before the cops got there.. This would be easy to fake.. way too easy..

    Nostradumbass’s picture
    Nostradumbass Max Hunter Oct 2, 2017 12:39 PM
    It just shows you that anything is possible and that the ‘official’ story can never be trusted.

    SybilDefense’s picture
    SybilDefense Reichstag Fire Dept. Oct 2, 2017 2:43 PM
    Because in order for this disaster to be fully useful to the left, it must be shown that all rifles and handguns are used in killing the innocent. If you are going to orchestrate a gun grab, you should probably have one of each at the scene so they too can be added for the call to ban. Squirrel plinker = AK = BAN All guns.

    What is the chance this guy just came from a few days at the local gun show, bought a few new toys and a bulk discount on 1000 rounds. He was sitting in his room, bored, maybe having a soda and outside his window was all those people! He starts thinking “ya know, I bought all these SHTF guns over the years and I’m almost 70… I’ll probably never get the chance to really try them out. Wonder how many I could drop from this room right now if I loaded up a few mags and unleashed a few on that crowd below??? Hmmmm? Probably a shitload. Well, wtf… Let’s See. One… Two… 3-4…. 567… 8… There’s one running…. 10… No premeditation, just acting on an F’d up impulse because he thinks… there’s really nothing left to live for all that exciting and with the gov and MSM both lying to all the people all the time, what the hell. Let’s see what this one with the 50 Rd drum can do. After the first crack he was in full F You mode.

    Or else he could of called the Doll House or Red Horse brothel… Like the rest of the normal lame ass losers do. Just saying. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t.

    techpriest’s picture
    techpriest Miffed Microbiologist Oct 2, 2017 10:33 AM
    Miffed,

    The Secret Service did a study on this type of shooter. Usually there is a 6-month “decomposition” period where the person isolates himself from society to sufficiently radicalize. A normal person who has regular, normal contact with other people is incapable of this sort of violence.

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    John Kerry-Heinz techpriest Oct 2, 2017 10:48 AM
    Sure rings like MK ultra baby, MK ultra. Always convenient and clean end to an operation when the shooter offs themselves just as the Police arrives. It’s like that’s the programmed trigger event to end the op.

    Who knows, maybe he just hated country music fans at a Las Vegas concert, right? Perhaps the MIC taking out Houston wasn’t enough satisfaction for them? This shooting just happens to occur on the day the Catalonia violence and vote to begin the collapse of the EU dictatorship was evident for all to see? Look a squirrel! Sick shit.

    genewatson’s picture
    genewatson John Kerry-Heinz Oct 2, 2017 7:43 PM
    Then too, there’s the one (and only one) news report that states he worked for Lockheed Martin.

  20. ulvfugl says:

    Talmudic Jewish Principal Caught on Film Molesting Boy

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2167265

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  22. Ghostwheel says:

    I didn’t create this meme, but it has some real charm to it. Reminds me of the Obama era, when a Destabilizer-in-Chief could do no wrong.

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  24. Ghostwheel says:

    What bothers me about the possibility of gun control here in America is disarming whites. Intentionally imposed mass immigration will make whites minorities, eventually.

    Now look at what happened in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

    Whites need their guns to defend themselves. Even more as time goes on.

    Also, it’s a big disincentive to breaking into someone’s home. Are they armed or not?

    All things considered, still against gun control here in the USA.

  25. ulvfugl says:

    Thanks G.

    Someone, or someones code, has been messing with this blog earlier today. Stopped me being able to post anything. I eventually cured it by deleting one particular YT video.
    That’s kinda interesting. When you are taking flak, means you are over the target. But WHICH target ? I dunno, hahaha.

    I’m also against stopping whites having guns in the USA.
    I changed my position on that a few years ago.
    Taking away the protection that weapons provide for the good guys, means that the good guys are left defenceless against the bad guys. The bad guys still get the weapons even if they are illegal.

  26. ulvfugl says:

    in Catalonia there are numerous videos of innocent people with real blood pouring out of real wounds.

    in Vegas there are numerous videos of a crowd of 20,000 being sprayed with high caliber machine gun fire, supposedly killing 59 and wounding over 500…

    and i’ve yet to see a corpse, or even a drop of blood.

    how do they do this?

    Posted by: john | Oct 3, 2017 6:49:27 AM | 131

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/another-day-another-us-mass-shooting/comments/page/2/#comments

    Excellent question.

  27. Ghostwheel says:

    I read through all the comments to this one, very interesting.

    Why are all these “nationalist” movements pro-EU and pro-migrant? If they are, that is, which they seem to be.

    I really don’t understand the hold the EU has on the consciousness of the average European.

  28. ulvfugl says:

    You expecting me to explain it to you ? ahahaha…

    It’s bewildering, isn’t it.

    I wish I did have a completely clear understanding of what’s really going on.

    I suppose that one way to understand it might be as a sort of hierarchy of interest groups, similar to the idea of social classes, each having differing and conflicting aims and ambitions.

    We had half a century of propaganda trying to persuade everyone in Europe as to the virtues of having a Union. Like, less hassle at borders, more power to negotiate with USA, Russia and China. More prosperity for all because of free movement of goods and people. One big market as opposed to many small ones, each with different rules, so more efficient. No more wars, because bla bla bla.

    Like most, I fell for the hype, and only fairly recently changed my position.

    That’s because it finally became clear that the whole thing was a scam, organised by CIA and elite bankers and others, for their own benefit, not that of the general population.

    I have to admit, it took me a long time to catch on. I didn’t used to be able to understand why many people I met were vehemently against. My main feeling was that Europeans have been fighting wars for thousands of years, and it would be nice if that could be ended and we all became more amicable and cooperative. I think, in retrospect, I was naive.

    The way it has turned out, instead of dukes and kings and Popes fighting each other, it was a power grab by unelected bankers and bureaucrats, mostly promoting the jewish agenda for cosmopolitanism. The jews, understandably perhaps, prefer multi ethnic states where they can feel less insecure (although they don’t want that for Israel), and I think it is Big Finance, the banksters, who push the agenda from the top. Which of course conflicts with democratic ideals where ‘the people’ are supposed to be free to vote for their own preferences.

    Does that crude analysis make sense ?

    I am not as far to the right as Tara McCarthy, although I agree with much of her position. If I understand her correctly, she takes the same view as you mention, that these smaller parts of the old states which want independence are all still stuck in the old paradigm of allowing immigration, whereas she wants ethnic homelands for white people as an overriding priority.

  29. ulvfugl says:

    Before any information had been released about the shooter’s identity, or where and how he acquired the arsenal of 42 guns, 23 of which were eventually discovered in his hotel room, one Connecticut senator was already making headlines by exhorting Congress to “get off its ass” and pass gun-control legislation, officially marking the beginning of another contentious chapter in America’s perennial gun-control debate.

    “This must stop,” Murphy said. “It is positively infuriating that my colleagues in Congress are so afraid of the gun industry that they pretend there aren’t public policy responses to this epidemic.”

    He added: “The thoughts and prayers of politicians are cruelly hollow if they are paired with continued legislative indifference. It’s time for Congress to get off its ass and do something.”

    SHortly afterward, the White House warned lawmakers not to turn the shooting into a “political debate” about gun control before all the facts have been determined. This turned out to be a prescient, because, as the public would later learn, it appears that Steve Paddock, the shooter, purchased his guns legally.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooter-purchased-guns-legally-passed-federally-mandated-background-checks

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    My guess about what happened in Vegas, my ‘hot take’, is that there were probably two professional shooters. I think Paddock was a patsy, forced to take the blame. I would guess he didn’t shoot at all, but was left dead in the room as the shooters fled.
    Posted by: paul | Oct 3, 2017 9:09:35 AM | 142

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/another-day-another-us-mass-shooting/comments/page/2/#comments

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    Balint Somkuti, PhD said…
    Without going too much into conspiracies am I the only one to find the below circumstances odd?

    1. cca. 580 people killed or wounded from a distance of some 400 yards. Even with ten full auto weapons and 100 round C-mags it is only 1 000 bullets. 60% hit ratio is more than good for someone without proper training, even considering the crowd.

    2. For me it is uncomprehensible that some1 can smuggle 10 long weapons into a hotel room (weight? dimensions?)

    3. What was the hotel security doing? The shooting was loud. Did really noone tried to intervene from the staff?

    4. This heinious attack needed serious preparations. Did noone really noticed?

    Since I am only a civilian with limited small arms, and security knowledge I would be happy to be convinced that there are answers to all of the above.

    Reply 03 October 2017 at 01:26 AM

    Eric Newhill said in reply to Balint Somkuti, PhD…
    Balint,
    I think you will find that most of the wounded were hit by bullet fragments from rounds that hit the ground or had broken up passing through bodies and that a lot of those hospitalized weren’t hit at all, but had been hurt by the crowd as it panicked, pushed, jumped barriers, etc; broken ribs, ankles and that sort of thing. Probably some psychiatric casualties as well with severe reactions needing to be helped to calm down and mentally regroup.

    Reply 03 October 2017 at 08:48 AM

    robt willmann said…
    Here are some more video clips claimed to be from the incident. The first one looks as if it was taken from a distance in front of the stage while music is being played. What sounds like automatic gunfire then begins. The music stops. After a pause, there are more sounds of apparent gunfire. The audio tracks of these videos merit close listening as to whether they show that more than one automatic weapon was being fired, sometimes at the same time. The repetitive sounds are of at least two different tones and pitches, one higher than the other, and they sometimes are going on at the same time and sometimes not–

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c18_1506981117

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56a_1506926722

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=57b_1506927612

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a5d_1506935851

    In this video, two witnesses are interviewed, and one thinks that there was more than one source of gunfire, including what seems to be the impression that at least one person shooting was on the ground–

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=336_1506955624

    The following witness interview is of two people who were at a listening area some distance away from the Mandalay Bay hotel and casino, and bullets were ricocheting where they were–

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=521_1506962720

    Photos of the Mandalay Bay appear to have been taken on Monday, 2 October, by David Becker and are placed with the Getty Images website. They show two broken windows at the ends of a span 11 window frames apart–

    http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/david-becker

    Clicking on the photo of the hotel in the link above switched to a different page with about three or so additional photos of the broken windows, but at the time of this writing, they are not there and have been removed or moved. I stupidly forgot to make a screen shot of it, although I have now made one of the link above.

    Las Vegas hotels and casinos have very thorough security systems and practices, or at least they used to. The named suspect would have appeared on cameras going back in time, which would likely also show any luggage. If he was somewhat of a regular gambler at that casino, he would be known to the casino and hotel management, and may have received some complimentary benefits, such as a free room, meals, etc., depending on how much he gambled. From those instances, the hotel and casino would have detailed records of his visits.
    Reply

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/10/what-were-the-guns-at-las-vegas-and-did-this-man-own-them-legally.html

  34. ulvfugl says:

    BabaLooey Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM
    Meet The Iraq War Veteran/On Script Cast Member Who Led Police Who Already Knew Where, To One Of The Vegas Shooters

    …………………fixed

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/meet-iraq-war-veteran-who-led-police-vegas-shooter#comment-10386236

  35. ulvfugl says:

    found this in the comment section at ZeroHedge:

    ” from 4chan:

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143837839#p143843955

    >9:10 reports shooter on 15th floor
    >18:10 “shots fired on 29 and 32nd levels”
    >18:25 “we are coming out on 32nd floor”
    >18:45 “we have a security officer shot in the leg on the 32nd floor”
    >19:15 “he shot down the hallway and hit a security guard” (32nd floor)
    >19:35 “we’ll need the 29th floor, it sounds like its confirmed there are at least 2 shooters with fully automatic weapons”
    >26:30 “about 3 minutes ago a black unknown truck (unidentified) ripped out of the parking lot east of Excalibur heading south to the Delano, it was reported by several people and witnessed by me, keep an eye on it”
    >36:10 “He’s over in Tropicana/Motel 6, older white male with fatigues and a black bag, pedestrians say he came from the area of the shooting, he went into the motor home”
    >37:15 “theres one ‘WMA’ in black fatigues and a white RV off of Koval and Tropicana, south of”
    >41:30 (at Mandalay Bay) “nothing has been evac’d”
    >43:05 “…at Reno and Tropicana we might have a possible… I need more units”
    >47:10 “…confirming the Mandalay Bay, and Alibaba and Guille’s(?) are the two shooting locations, do we have a third?”

    Posted by: Joefour | Oct 3, 2017 10:25:18 AM | 146

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/another-day-another-us-mass-shooting/comments/page/2/#comments

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    peanuts Ignatius Oct 3, 2017 10:46 AM
    My brother works as a security guard in Vegas, he was there when this shit went down. He told me that he saw a man who was shot in the head, through one of his eyes, dead, he saw alot of wounded. He was directing people where to go as they were running for their lives……I still think it was a false flag that killed and wounded alot of people. I asked him if there was anything about this event he thought was strange before the incident happened and he told me that he was shocked, for an event as large as this that there were no metal detectors being used as concert goers entered the venue and bag checkers were checking these big bags carrying lawn chairs coming in.

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    Ignatius peanuts Oct 3, 2017 10:50 AM
    “He told me that he saw a man who was shot in the head, through one of his eyes, dead, he saw alot of wounded.”

    There should be A SHIT LOAD of video. Everybody has cell phones these days.

    I wanna see evidence, not “I know a guy who knows a guy…”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooter-purchased-guns-legally-passed-federally-mandated-background-checks

    Ignatius bidaskspread Oct 3, 2017 11:09 AM
    “Is the net blocking videos?”

    Aussie youtuber, Anaconda Malt Liquor 6 (they keep killing his channels, hence “6”) predicted this event in Las Vegas 2 weeks ago. The Freeman High School shooting (another hoax) had a picture of a woman wearing pants that had “Las Vegas” prominently displayed. Apparently a lot of these events have clues to upcoming events (weird, I know, but he’s not alone in predictions). His video was quickly spiked.

    philipat DieselChadron Oct 3, 2017 9:52 AM
    Doesn’t this seem to be the case of a Libtard progressive psycopath trying to kill a bunch of “Republican Trump-supporting country music fans”? But, of course, you are never going to hear that on the MSM?

    Either that or something isn’t quite right here..again. Where are the “Journalists” checking the Hospitals and the lists of the dead etc?

    And sorry, some even more basic questions, like how can a person shoot from a Hotel room? All hotels I have stayed in recently have windows that don’t open. So did he shoot the windows out first? Which should have caused problems down below and raised the alarm much earlier? I don’t know but, again, a lot of this doesn’t add up?

    Either way, it is unlikely that any further REAL information is going to appear, especially from MSM.

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    kochevnik philipat Oct 3, 2017 10:04 AM
    Paddock worked for Raytheon, so he may have top secret clearance

    BennyBoy’s picture
    BennyBoy kochevnik Oct 3, 2017 10:22 AM

    At 10:08 p.m., an officer on the scene sounds the alarm

    At 10:13 p.m., an officer: “I’m inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear the automatic fire coming from one floor above us.”

    At about 11:20 p.m., SWAT team explode a door-breaching device, and enter to find the suspect dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

    3 minutes after initial call another officer calls in the correct floor.

    One hour and 7 minutes later they enter the room.

    Were they waiting for all the bullets to be shot into people but not cops?

    Why the fuck are cops so scared?

    They shoot and kill innocent, unarmed people no problem, but one armed asshole and they’re scared shitless.

    They should have kicked that door in a few minutes, tossed in stun and flash grenades.

    But waitng over an hour? Fuck the cops.

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    TheLastTrump BennyBoy Oct 3, 2017 10:33 AM
    Hate to admit it but I was thinking along the same lines. Around here, you can see the 12 gauge and AR15 in every police patrol vehicle. In other jurisdictions, they keep the AR15 in the trunk. Doesn’t LVPD have them in their cars?

    You telling me that NOT ONE LVPD officer could bring an AR15 to the front of the hotel & shoot at this fuck to keep him occupied? For 72 fucking minutes?

    One hour and 12 minutes this piece of shit was shooting little girls and NO ONE could find and use a fucking rifle?

    Sum ting wong in Las Vegas PD land. Another liberal run shithole causing unnecessary casualties through inaction.

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    Donald J. Trump philipat Oct 3, 2017 10:10 AM
    It was mentioned early on that the the shooters wife was a rabid Anti Trumper but no one knew about the shooter. It turns out his wife wasn’t his wife and was some Asian woman IN Asia at the time and that the shooter was using her credentials for whatever reasons. It wouldn’t be far fetched to think that the woman’s online Anti Trump presence was actually the shooter and it would make sense that a rabid Trump hater would open fire on a Country Music concert full of America loving Trump supporters. I can’t think of another reason someone would attack these people except a deranged Libtard. Nobody hates country music that bad. The guy was white so most likely it wasn’t about race.

    Hahaha, ‘Nobody hates country music that bad.’, I’ve known a few people who DO !

    It’s not safe to assume that Paddock WAS the shooter, he may just be a patsie set up to take the blame.

  38. Ghostwheel says:

    >>>>Does that crude analysis make sense ?

    Yes. Paul Craig Roberts has stated several times that the EU was invented by the CIA. I also read that the Euro was the brainchild of an American economist, who designed it not to work.

    PCR has also stated that he had inside information that any politician and reporter of significance in Europe was bought off. He refers to, literally, “bags of money” changing hands.

    Then there was the recent German reporter, Udo Ulfkotte, who wrote a book about it and then died suddenly a little bit later. Now his book sells for $1000:

    * Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News by Dr Udo Ulfkotte PH.D.:

    * Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’:
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press.html

    * The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/16/cia-owns-everyone-significance-major-media/

    * End the EU, a CIA Covert Operation:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44865.htm

  39. ulvfugl says:

    There’s a long history of governments and covert agencies using False Flag and Staged Events to manipulate populations. A famous early one was Gleiwitz.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

    I think that the felling of the Twin Towers on 9/11 can be placed in that category, as can numerous lesser events since, like Sandy Hook and Bataclan.

    Precisely who is really behind this agenda is difficult to say with any confidence, but Mossad, CIA, MI6, and similar related organisations, or sub-departments thereof, must be prime suspects.

    I’ve watched this exact same pattern repeatedly. I think they throw in bizarre and apparently pointless smaller events to cause confusion, sort of smoke and mirrors to distract attention from the main ‘trick’.

    Bludklot Killtruck Oct 3, 2017 11:45 AM
    All the Chicago stats at http://heyjackass.com/
    September stats:

    Shot & Killed: 57
    Shot & Wounded: 273
    Total Shot: 330
    Total Homicides: 57

    Year to date:

    Shot & Killed: 497
    Shot & Wounded: 2395
    Total Shot: 2892
    Total Homicides: 534

  40. ulvfugl says:

  41. Ghostwheel says:

    >>>>>There’s a long history of governments and covert agencies using False Flag and Staged Events to manipulate populations.

    How about the so-called assassination of Osama bin Laden? Zero independently corroborated evidence. Just the Pentagon, CIA and White House telling a story, and saying, “trust us.”

    Supposedly threw the body into the sea. Reminds me of the television show “The Sopranos.” Mob boss Tony Soprano owned an ocean going yacht….

    I have a long standing disgust for all that. The only way for me to cope with it all is to imagine that post-mortem, these rat-bastards will get chewed-out by some celestial court.

    I don’t mean to sound superstitious, but, damn, the rabbit hole runs deep. Something in me needs to believe that when it’s all over with and done there’s some accountability.

    (I’m sure that reveals something about my log-jammed level of spiritual development….)

  42. Ghostwheel says:

    This is the first part of an eight-point thread by SevenCrimes that I found worthwhile:

  43. ulvfugl says:

  44. ulvfugl says:

    @ Ghostwheel

    I have a long standing disgust for all that. The only way for me to cope with it all is to imagine that post-mortem, these rat-bastards will get chewed-out by some celestial court.

    I don’t mean to sound superstitious, but, damn, the rabbit hole runs deep. Something in me needs to believe that when it’s all over with and done there’s some accountability.

    (I’m sure that reveals something about my log-jammed level of spiritual development….)

    I tend to try and see it as ‘history unfolding’ so that I can remain somewhat objective and aloof, as an observer, because if I get emotionally engaged it only causes me unnecessary anguish and distress, when I have no power to influence these crazy and horrible events.
    Pretty much all I can do is to run this commentary, to share and clarify as much as I am able.

  45. ulvfugl says:

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