Lumpers and Splitters, The Sharp Edge of Existence, Biology and Political Nihilism

 

 

For some people who follow human evolution news, recognizing “species” is really just about whether you’re a lumper or a splitter. Many people assume that the names of species are about ego, not evidence.

But nature presents us with real challenges, which still cause different scientists to approach the past with different assumptions. Let me give some examples.

Just today, I got notification of a new paper by Walter Neves and colleagues, in which they suggest that Australopithecus sediba and Homo naledi are actually South African representatives of Homo habilis. Some people might scoff at this—after all, the Dinaledi fossils are only 236,000–335,000 years old, while the latest-known H. habilisis around 1.6 million. But a young date for some fossils doesn’t bar them from from membership in a species with much older fossil representatives. Identity is tested with morphological evidence, not geological age.

Now, I disagree with the idea that H. naledi is the same species as H. habilis—Neves and colleagues have come to this taxonomic conclusion by neglecting all the morphological evidence showing H. naledi is different from H. habilis. But it’s not so easy to reject the idea that these species might be close relatives. As we pointed out earlier this year, H. naledi might even conceivably be a descendant of H. habilis or Au. sediba. On the other hand, Mana Dembo and colleagues showed last year that H. naledi seems to be closer to modern and archaic H. sapiens than to H. erectus (and much closer than H. habilis). These are stark differences of interpretation, from similar parts of the skeleton.

At the other extreme, this week Jeffrey Schwartz is set to present results of his own examination of the Dinaledi Chamber sample. According to his abstract, all the teeth belong to one species, but some of the skulls represent another—two species in this assemblage, not just one. I haven’t seen the details of this analysis, but I’m pretty sure I disagree with this one, too.

I admit that it would be fatuous to say that ego plays no role in paleoanthropology. Scientists express provocative opinions that will draw attention from the press.

Still, the trouble with taxonomy isn’t just about new fossil discoveries like H. naledi or Au. sediba. We have seen similarly broad and vociferous diversity of opinions in the last few years about H. erectus, Au. deyiremeda, Au. anamensis, H. floresiensis, Denisovans, Neanderthals, H. heidelbergensis, Kenyanthropus platyops, and others. These are species new and old, and the same issues keep arising again and again.

Many people would say that taxonomic debates just reflect basic philosophy about variation—again, lumping versus splitting. But that’s really only one of the dimensions:

  • How much variation should a species include? Broadly, all of us recognize that some species are polytypic (as humans are today), but small and fragmentary samples make it very hard to distinguish polytypy from distinct species. There are living polytypic species that include very extensive variation, and living sister species that barely differ from each other, making model selection difficult.
  • What kind of data provide evidence of similarity or difference? Some researchers rely mainly on phenetic similarity measures, using geometric morphometrics, principal components or canonical variates approaches. Others examine discrete (or threshold) traits, counting shared derived traits as evidence of similarity and ignoring shared primitive traits. This group was once dominated by cladists, but in recent years Bayesian approaches have become more and more common.
  • What temporal or geological information is sufficient to justify pooling fossil specimens into a single sample? Some scientists are willing to assume that fossils from the same 500,000-year period belong to a single population, even if they preserve different parts of the skeleton or minimally overlap. Others draw trees that separate every specimen into its own “operational taxonomic unit”. The concept of a paleodeme is based on lumping specimens by date and geography, an approach that has come more and more into question as the fossil record increases.

Anthropologists may get a bad rap from other biologists for arguing about taxonomy so much, but in reality many areas of taxonomy are undergoing seismic shifts following more widespread application of genetics and phylogeographic analyses.

For example, bovid systematists have been arguing for the last few years about whether to double the number of species they recognize—a debate about living species with abundant morphological samples and genetic data. Meanwhile, living and fossil elephants are on the verge of a complete revision of relationships, based on ancient DNA and the appreciation of deep diversity between forest and savanna African populations. Similar examples are unfolding across mammalian systematics.

Neandertal and Denisovan DNA has shown us that hominins also exchanged genes by introgression, occasionally but recurrently despite hundreds of thousands of years on their own trajectories. Genetic evidence of African “ghost lineages” means other long-lasting Pleistocene populations once existed.

  1. naledi might potentially be one such lineage. I have no idea what the closest relative of H. naledi will prove to be. Whether it reproduced with human populations or not, it shows that many cherished human features may not have been uniquely derived evolutionary developments.

I can’t help but feel that we are standing at a special moment in the history of paleoanthropology. New data give us the opportunity to make progress on old areas of disagreement about species and phylogeny. We have to start by taking what we now know about the later Pleistocene, and seriously appling these lessons to earlier periods of human evolution. Our assumptions about the past really are changing.

Whatever we choose to call species won’t change their nature. But our assumptions determine the way we frame our future studies, including our attempts to find more fossil evidence. That makes it important to communicate clearly about what these ancient species mean, both with each other and with the public.

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/taxonomy/species-argument-evidence-ego-2017.html

 

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Ian Welsh often says things which stimulate my thoughts.

This time he posted a tweet, Some days I don’t see the point of existence.

This simple line stimulates enormous ramifications in my ‘thinking-o-sphere’.

An inference being some days he DOES see the point ??

Perhaps there is NO point to existence ? Perhaps it’s all a futile meaningless mess, without any purpose at all ? That could be, might be, the ultimate truth.

But then, into that vacuous void, we humans pour all kinds of stuff to provide meaning and construct a point to our existence.

Like having children, an interesting job, enjoyable relations with other humans, doing exciting adventures, learning stuff that is useful or stimulating, fighting, filling the void with innumerable activities that provide satisfaction. Some of these might be considered luxuries, cream on the top of basic daily survival. Some people are probably grateful to get through a day having had a meal and avoided being murdered.

The possibility remains that it’s all in vain, a distraction, a ploy to avoid looking out of the window into infinite vastness, seen as a meaningless void without any point or destination that we can possibly comprehend.

Some people follow that line and arrive at a totally bleak nihilist vision.

Like ants living on the forest floor below Mount Everest don’t have the capacity to comprehend what the forest is or what the mountain and the sky is, they still pursue their activities so that they survive and procreate. They don’t need to be able to answer the questions regarding What it all is, or Why it all is, or What’s the point of being an ant. They just get on with the business of being an ant, until they die, and other new ants replace them.

Most people do not have the capacity or the inclination to confront these kinds of issues for themselves. What happens, if ever curiosity arises, is that they get handed a pre-packaged prepared bundle of ‘answers’ by various vested interests which want to expand and recruit more ‘believers’.

Hence we have zillions of sects, cults, socio-religio-political groups, ancient and more modern organisations, all competing and trying to acquire new followers and adherents, as they strive to promote their agendas, attain or increase their power and influence.

My political position has moved, continues to move. I’m rather uncomfortable about this, because I feel it’s somewhat involuntary, that I am being forced to alter my stance.

When I was educated in basic biology, circa fifty years ago, I believed and trusted what the teachers and textbooks said. But much has been learned since that time.

I trusted what we were told, that there is only one human species, Homo sapiens sapiens, to which all existing humans belong, and therefore, in a sense, we are ‘all the same’. One big extended family.

Well, now we know, or biologists should explain so that we do now know, that there are actually enormous and very significant genetic differences. This idea was taboo, heresy, when I was taught.

I do not believe that science, in this instance biology, should necessarily be the over-riding ultimate determining factor in how we arrive at social and political positions.

As I see it, going back to ancient Greece, politics is the discourse that takes place in the public arena. It can concern ANYTHING. One week, it’s the price of eggs that’s got everyone stirred up and arguing, the next week it’s whether or not to go to war with the neighbouring tribe because of some perceived transgression.

 

But for educated sophisticated people to ignore or deny information provided by science is a sort of madness, sheer stupidity or willful ignorance. Science is the best way that anyone has ever come up with for arriving at accurate assessments of any given phenomenon. It’s far from perfect, but wild guesses based on inaccurate uninformed prejudice has got to be so much worse.

The idea, which was indoctrinated into me by science teachers, that all humans are ‘the same’, being of the same species, has turned out to be incorrect, wishful thinking or propaganda.

There were multiple species of hominids or hominims which evolved on different parts of the planet, subject to very different environmental demands. This, I believe, is established irrefutable fact, supported by all the known scientific evidence.

Of course, there are plenty of people who will contest and deny that statement, for a variety of reasons. Some want to introduce extra-terrestrial aliens, some want to adhere to some mythical account supported by their religious traditions, or whatever.

A lot hinges upon the theoretical arguments over how the biological category of ‘species’ should be defined. It’s problematic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species

In agriculture and wildlife conservation it has long been recognised that it is important to maintain discrete breeds or species of plants and animals, because they each have valuable individual traits which may be vital or useful at some future time.

That’s the utilitarian argument. I’d argue that we have no right to force any organisms into extinction, although that gets tricky when applied to some of the nastiest diseases. In any case, extinction of species is happening, and accelerating, mostly as the direct result of human activity and the human population explosion.

For humans, it’s maybe somewhat analogous to a painter keeping colours separate on the pallet. You can mix them all, and then you end up with a resulting grey goo and it’s irreversible.

We now have voices seriously arguing that all white skinned humans should be forced into extinction.

 

[This post is rather brief, because of difficulties with my health problems. 221 visitors yesterday, 241 the previous day. No doubt mostly checking to see if I am dead yet, or not. Pleased to report, only half dead ! Some followers will be grateful for the unusual brevity 🙂 ]

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494 Responses to Lumpers and Splitters, The Sharp Edge of Existence, Biology and Political Nihilism

  1. ulvfugl says:

    “The sooner the US collapses, is destroyed, broken up, the better. Their culture of of exceptionalism and arrogance has to be destroyed.”

    Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Aug 12, 2017 10:24:22 AM | 50

    Nation of the US is something very different than the oligarchs who are in control. Just like the English people are not the British Empire or the British East India Company.
    Intellectual rigor requires that you direct your ire toward the oligarchs and their many hirelings. The real battle is between the international oligarchs and the people everywhere.

    I salute the Russian people, and the Chinese, the Venezuelans… and the Americans, too. And we WILL find a way to defeat the oligarchs and those who’ve sold out to them. If you want to be sure you’re not among them, reexamine with rigor your position on global warming. It’s a hoax to bring down the economies of the developed countries and to bring UP others– especially the Chinese just now. See Global Coal Plant Tracker.

    Posted by: Penelope | Aug 12, 2017 7:48:54 PM | 78

    penelope 78

    I really don’t care one way or the other about global warming. Global climate has always been changing. Some civilizations went underwater around around eleven thousand years ago, due to climate change and melting icecaps. Quite a bit of undersea archaeology occurring now in those areas that went underwater. I also do believe a changing gas mix in the atmosphere will change the ambient temperature somewhat and therefore affect the climate climate.

    Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Aug 13, 2017 12:26:36 AM | 83

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/08/open-thread-2017-31.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b8d29f8f7f970c

  2. ulvfugl says:

    earleflorida Tarzan Aug 13, 2017 12:16 PM
    hmmm…. McMaster’s invited to Bilderberg. Why?

    Note: Kissinger, Summers, Ross, Rubin, Rubenstein (co-founder & co-ceo The ‘Carlyle Group’), Petraeus, etal…. https://publicintelligence.net/2017-bilderberg-participant-list/
    Next, we have McMaster’s name at the nefarious ‘Jewish Cabal NWO’ “BERG?” meetings, wheeling and dealing for world Fascism?

    so i dug alittle further and found this plastered all over the web like it was a big secret uncovered— ‘Who does McMaster really represent?’

    Guess—?, i would say the american people in-?general? go figure…. http://informationclearinghouse.info/47585.htm Think Adelson’s $35Mln campaign contributions via (ZOA) ‘Zionist Org. of America’ and this doesn’t touch upon the myriad/litany of other Zionist (anti-Sematic [American/Isreal Jewry!]) as ‘AIPAC’!

    Lastly, a little something about Ersa Cohen-Watnick, Derek Harvey and Cernovich regarding McMaster cleaning house….. http://drrichswier.com/2017/08/11/zionist-organization-of-america-twenty-three-reasons-why-president-trump-must-fire-mcmaster/
    you decide…

    i have

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    philipat Luc X. Ifer Aug 13, 2017 11:16 AM
    That’s so true LX. Is there no common sense left in the US? How is it possible that the majority of the population STILL believe the MSM and this Russian nonsense and will standby and allow a “Special PROSECUTOR” to investigate, for the purposes of Impeachment, a President who has committed crimes still to be determined? If that is not all totally Orwellian/McCarthyan, then what is? And yet you Americans just go along with all this shit. What is wrong with you?

    I was only thinking myself earlier today that, indeed, the US has transposed itself into what the USSR used to be a few decades ago in a 2.0 “Light with Entertainment” twist.

    And in this context, as a further twist in the plot, doesn’t it strike anyone as perhaps a little suspicious that the Charlottesville incident was a very conveniently timed opportunity to attempt to neutralize any “Alt-Right” reaction to any of this?

    And the Deep State has forced Trump into a position where the only thing he can do is start wars? Even though, of course, Constitutionally, that requires approval by Comgress; and which, presumably would, in any case, be swiftly forthcoming?

    As they say, what a way to run an airline!!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/bannon-jeopardy-trump-suspects-key-advisor-source-leaks

  3. ulvfugl says:

    Following the media’s brouhaha around President Trump’s apparent decision not to specifically call out and condemn the white supremacists and neo-Nazis who gathered in Charlottesville this weekend, The White House has issued a statement confirmingthat the president “does not condone violence, bigotry, and hatred… from any extremist groups.”

    As The Hill reports, Trump took bipartisan heat on Saturday for not directly calling out hate groups in his remarks, and for blaming “many sides” for the violence.

    “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides,” Trump said at a press conference from his New Jersey golf course.

    “It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time,” he continued, before highlighting his administration’s accomplishments.
    And so, as WaPo reports, in interviews on Sunday morning news shows, national security adviser H.R. McMaster and homeland security adviser Tom Bossert echoed the vague comments that the president made in a statement at his private golf club in New Jersey on Saturday, signaling that Trump does not plan to heed calls from fellow Republicans to bluntly confront and condemn white supremacy.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/white-house-confirms-trump-condemns-white-supremacists-kkk-all-neo-nazi-extremist-gr

  4. ulvfugl says:

    But, by the late eighties, residents had begun the process of moving on, and with no investment into the area’s future, a steady period of decline ensued.

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/inside-forgotten-housing-estate-abandoned-13464712

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    Globally, white people are an ethnic minority. South Africa tells us all we need to know.

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  8. ulvfugl says:

    The agitprop technique in the case of the Charlottesville violence is simple but seemingly universal in the left main stream media. The nut-jobs who went to Charlottesville to “protect” the statue of a man who would not have wanted to be “protected” by them are implied to be representative of all Americans who do not wish to see a new, socialist, globalist paradigm for the US.
    The intention of the antifa left and its Democratic Party and media wings seems clear. It is to silence through shaming, ostracism, loss of income and perhaps eventually legally anyone who does not submit to be assimilated into a new collective consciousness in an America that believes itself to be a sinner country. pl
    A note on comments: Criticism of US policy is acceptable on SST. Condemnation of the US as a sinner nation is not and will not be published.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/is-this-solely-a-country-for-the-antifa-left.html

    Tyler said…
    Ive seen more breast beating from the Left today then when BLM killed 5 Dallas PD, or when a Bernie Bro nearly killed a Congressman. Or when the Bernie Bro DID kill a GOP committeemember.

    The freak out you see from our current oracle/priest caste relates to how their sinecures are being threatened, as well as their way of life. Can’t live downtown, use Lyft to head to the cool new gastropub serving artisinal whiskey when you might encounter partisans. No no no.

    Strap in folks. This has been building since the Left decided “hate whitey” was acceptable discourse. Now you got whites against the wall and they’re fighting back. Communists and their foreign pets SHOULD be scared.

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  9. ulvfugl says:

    The WaPo, Boston Globe, AOL News, Hill, BBC and Sky News UK all chose to frame the ramming of a car into anti-fascist protesters as “clashes.” The BBC’s breaking news tweet, “One dead amid clashes between Pindo white nationalists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville,” is an extremely odd way to describe a person driving a car into a crowd of anti-fascist protesters, as was AOL’s “1 Dead, 34 Injured in Clashes at Virginia Rally.” The term “clashes,” as FAIR (10/14/15) has noted before, is a term designed to obscure blame, presenting a picture of two equal sides engaging in violent activities. Reading “one dead” after “clashes” at a white nationalist rally gives us no idea who died, or who did the killing. Alternatively, one can veil responsibility by attributing agency to an inanimate object and disembodied emotions, as with the NYT‘s headline, “Car Plows Into Crowd as Racial Tensions Boil Over in Virginia.” There are times when things can be ambiguous, but after a person the police say “premeditatedly” rammed into a crowd of anti-racist protesters with a car, it’s fairly clear the anti-racist protesters aren’t to blame for the death.

    https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/adams-always-angry-about-something/

  10. ulvfugl says:

    There are still honourable Israelis who demand a state for the Palestinians; there are well-educated Saudis who object to the crazed Wahabism upon which their kingdom is founded; there are millions of Americans, from sea to shining sea, who do not believe that Iran is their enemy nor Saudi Arabia their friend. But the problem today in both East and West is that our governments are not our friends

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/al-jazeera-saudi-arabia-israel-policy-terrorism-isis-iran-prince-mohamed-netanyahu-a7885851.html

  11. ulvfugl says:

    James was charged with one count of second degree murder​, three counts of malicious wounding and one count of hit and run attended failure to stop with injury.[32]​
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation​ and the Department of Justice​ stated that they would be opening an investigation into the deadly crash. [32]​

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_KQMDOncNuEJ:https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  12. ulvfugl says:

    The move is a diplomatic victory for Russian President Vladimir Putin and a big snub to the United States.

    http://theduran.com/confirmed-turkey-to-end-support-for-anti-government-terrorists-in-syria/
    In a seismic shift in the alignment in the Syria conflict, Turkey has confirmed it is ending support to anti-government forces in Syria. Additionally, the umbrella political group National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces is to have its recognition from Ankara withdrawn.

    This represents Turkey’s position on Syria going full circle since Ankara entered the conflict in the year 2012.

  13. ulvfugl says:

    The person in the center on the above picture drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville killing one and wounding several.

    Politicians and media hail such persons when they appear, often hired by the CIA, to overthrow the government of some foreign country. They condemn the same mindset and actions at home. But glorification of right-wing violence elsewhere hands justification to right-wing groups at home.

    Above: Fascist torch march in Kiev January 28 2017. Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Republican Senator McCain, The New York Times, the Washington Post and many “liberals” supported the above nazis.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/08/charlottesville-what-you-wish-upon-others-you-wish-upon-yourself.html#comments

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    Definitely a sign of the End Times ! ahahaha… Aren’t these called ELK in Europe ?

    Yup…

    The moose (North America) or elk (Eurasia), Alces alces, is the largest extant species in the deer family.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose

    Is it an elk? Is it a moose? If you’re in Sweden, the answer is “BOTH”! The iconic, majestic forest dweller Alces alces is known as a moose in North America (actually the sub-species Alces alces americana) and an elk in Europe. The word elk, like the Swedish word älg (pronounced /elj/), is taken from the Latin alces. To make matters even more confusing, elk in North America is used for an entirely different animal – a kind of deer, Cervus elaphus, otherwise known as a Wapiti, which looks like this.

    The European elk (or moose), on the other hand, looks like this:

    https://naturetravels.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/what%E2%80%99s-the-difference-between-a-moose-and-an-elk/

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    The Senate Armed Services Committee’s hearing on Afghanistan on Tuesday managed to do something extra heinous in their never-ending whitewash of US’ actions in a war that has entered its 15th year, but it’s not what you might expect.
    No, it wasn’t General John Campbell’s admission that the US Air Force actually did bomb the Médecins Sans Frontières Hospital in war-ravaged Kunduz with a Lockheed Martin AC-130 fighter. It wasn’t the committee’s gentle shifting of blame to Afghan government forces for calling in the attack. It wasn’t even the attempt by Republican Senator Tom Cotton, who spent 6 years serving in Afghanistan, to blame the airstrike on the Taliban.

    Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York asked General Campbell about accusations that the Afghan military and police were sexually abusing young boys, known as Bacha Bazi, and that US soldiers had attempted to report cases of child abuse but were rebuffed and told to leave it alone.

    Campbell noted that, in particular instances between 2010 and 2012, he was not the head of the US forces in Afghanistan. But Campbell’s profession of ignorance wasn’t even the most ridiculous part of the hearing.

    https://sputniknews.com/news/201510071028128232/

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  20. marty says:

    Sorry, ulv, that’s the wrong link.

    Try this one

    What do you think? http://pin.it/a8THYfR

  21. marty says:

    Pinterest typed in what do you think. Some days I feel very untech like. 🙂

    I liked your writing today. your tempo and cadence give one time to reflect. It feels comfortable reading it.

  22. ulvfugl says:

    Thanks, marty

    I don’t know for sure, but I guess that the mechanical dove dates from Descartes time.

    Later sections of the Discourse (along with the supplementary scientific essays with which it was published) trace some of the more significant consequences of following the Cartesian method in philosophy. His mechanistic inclinations emerge clearly in these sections, with frequent reminders of the success of physical explanations of complex phenomena. Non-human animals, on Descartes’s view, are complex organic machines, all of whose actions can be fully explained without any reference to the operation of mind in thinking.

    In fact, Descartes declared, most of human behavior, like that of animals, is susceptible to simple mechanistic explanation. Cleverly designed automata could successfully mimic nearly all of what we do. Thus, Descartes argued, it is only the general ability to adapt to widely varying circumstances—and, in particular, the capacity to respond creatively in the use of language—that provides a sure test for the presence of an immaterial soul associated with the normal human body.

    But Descartes supposed that no matter how human-like an animal or machine could be made to appear in its form or operations, it would always be possible to distinguish it from a real human being by two functional criteria. Although an animal or machine may be capable of performing any one activity as well as (or even better than) we can, he argued, each human being is capable of a greater variety of different activities than could be performed by anything lacking a soul.

    In a special instance of this general point, Descartes held that although an animal or machine might be made to utter sounds resembling human speech in response to specific stimuli, only an immaterial thinking substance could engage in the creative use of language required for responding appropriately to any unexpected circumstances. My puppy is a loyal companion, and my computer is a powerful instrument, but neither of them can engage in a decent conversation. (This criterion anticipated the more formal requirements of the Turing test.)

    http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/4b.htm

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    order66 Aug 13, 2017 6:03 PM
    The mother of all threats to fiat bullshittery.

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    SHEEPFUKKER order66 Aug 13, 2017 6:05 PM
    Yes, who is monitoring the Federal Reserve Note for terrorist activity?

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    SoilMyselfRotten SHEEPFUKKER Aug 13, 2017 6:12 PM
    It’s the old ‘foot in the door’ trick

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    Common_Law SoilMyselfRotten Aug 13, 2017 6:16 PM
    And they had at least 9 trillion unaccounted for several years ago.

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    AtATrESICI Common_Law Aug 13, 2017 6:35 PM
    All that cash went for little children and blow…

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    Alt-RightGirl AtATrESICI Aug 13, 2017 6:36 PM
    US should launch a not-so-quiet crackdown on degeneracy and its masterminds.

    Don’t know who they are?

    How Jews’ Promotion of Homosexual Degeneracy Harms Normal People

    http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-08-13/how-jews-promotion-of-homosexual-degeneracy-harms-normal-people/

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    Manthong Alt-RightGirl Aug 13, 2017 6:38 PM

    Interesting…

    Try cracking down on some people’s metal….

    ..and more than light armor might be necessary.

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    wee-weed up Manthong Aug 13, 2017 6:40 PM
    Poof it’s gone!

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    Manthong wee-weed up Aug 13, 2017 6:49 PM

    Geez… non-believer…

    We are talking 256 bit encrypted trustless distributed blockchain tech here….

    The NSA and their bank overlords likely do not have a clue about this.

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    Manthong Manthong Aug 13, 2017 7:10 PM

    Kids…

    I hate to sound pedantic,,,,

    They are not going to allow anything they have access to (think network and code) diminish their control.

    Sound exchange medium needs to be out of their easy ability to manipulate and intervene..

    I had to rethink that just a bit….

    It is not just about the “currency”.. that is to say whatever a buck or a BTC percieved value is at,,,,,

    It is all about the underlying assets that back up the currency/fiat/seashells/whatever.

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    Golden Phoenix Manthong Aug 13, 2017 7:32 PM
    So when bitcoin successfully replaces the petrodollar as the reserve currency of the world they want everyone to have them except Americans.

    That makes no economic sense whatsoever.

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    tmosley Golden Phoenix Aug 13, 2017 7:45 PM
    TBH I fail to see how this is a “quiet crackdown”. They are just looking into the matter.

    If they aren’t already doing that, they are too late by several years. Even if they ARE looking into ways to shut it down, it is probably too late in any event. Once that institutional money starts flowing in, the lobbyists will put a stop to any attempt to fuck up the gravy train.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/us-launches-quiet-crackdown-cryptocurrencies

  23. ulvfugl says:

    A “stolen” 10 meter-long Soviet-era, anti-aircraft missile has exploded at a recycling centre in eastern Russia, killing two and injuring one, the Telegraph reports. Russian media were reportedly alerted to the explosion of the large-scale missile in the Siberian city of Chita after a YouTube user uploaded a car dashcam video showing the moment of the blast.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/stolen-russian-s-200-missile-explodes-after-being-sold-scrap

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    Lemur said in reply to Lefty_Blaker…

    No, they can’t have their culture because the coastal demographics are doing their level best to swamp it with assorted imports from the global south, and imposing liberal legal and social norms. That’s why you’ve finally succeeded in mobilizing white identity politics, which you characterize as ‘supremacism’. Do these whites want to rule over other races? No, they just want their own space. Is it to hard for you to believe that there is a growing body of people who will come out to stop xenophiles and white masochists from compromising the ethnic integrity the nation their ancestors built? No one asked if we wanted European nations turned into multicultural swamps. Kennedy in fact promised the Hart-Cellar act would not affect America’s demographic composition.
    Dispossession is something any national community should hate, and is an official sin when it happens to non-whites (see gentrification).

    Progs, who have no conception of a spiritual organic unity, think flitting between eclectic vestiges of ‘culture’, decontextualized, commodified artifacts having distinction without difference, all ultimately deferring to liberal norms and $$$, represents the peak of human potential which must be forcibly imparted to the provincial cretins. The opposite is in fact true. Big city dwellers lack an inner form arising from atomization; thus their preferred mode of being is a degraded existentialism.

    Reply 13 August 2017 at 08:02 PM
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    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/is-this-solely-a-country-for-the-antifa-left.html

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    The ability of a few young Muslim men to pull off such a feat is unbelievable. Such total failure of the US National Security State means that America was blindly vulnerable throughout the decades of Cold War with the Soviet Union. If such total failure of the National Security State had really occurred, the White House and Congress would have been screaming for an investigation. People would have been held accountable for the long chain of security failures that allowed the plot to succeed. Instead, no one was even reprimanded, and the White House resisted all efforts for an investigation for a year. Finally, to shut up the 9/11 families, a 9/11 Commission was convened. The commission duly wrote down the government’s story and that was the «investigation».

    Moreover, there is no evidence to support the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. Indeed, all known evidence contradicts the official conspiracy theory.

    For example, it is a proven fact that Building 7 came down at freefall acceleration, which means it was wired for demolition. Why was it wired for demolition? There is no official answer to this question.

    It is the known evidence provided by scientists, architects, engineers, pilots, and the first responders who were in the twin towers and personally experienced the numerous explosions that brought down the towers that is described as a conspiracy theory.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/paul-craig-roberts-explains-how-conspiracy-theories-really-work

  30. ulvfugl says:

    Fox News reporter Doug McKelway was in attendance during yesterday’s deadly events in Charlottesville, VA, where he reported that the police were called off as soon as things started turning violent.

    … But when the tear gas started to fly, thrown by protesters, the police themselves began to evacuate then. I asked the guy who was in charge, “Where you going?” He said, “We’re leaving. It’s too dangerous.” They had a chance to nip this thing in the bud and they chose not to.

    People were throwing soda cans filled with cement …

    So white nationalists hold a rally which was legally organized with a permit from the city, as it is their first amendment right to do so, and Antifa showed up with cement-filled cans and other weapons with plans to violently protest the event. The ACLU confirmed that Charlottesville police were ordered to stand down, which allowed the KKK and Antifa to meet face to face with no interference.

    https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/trouble-comin-every-day/

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    What we saw this weekend was a demonstration of the horseshoe effect, where both groups begin to sound and act like the other– both illiberal, both demanding omnipotent state solutions to problems mostly created by government in the first place.

    To be sure, Antifa and the alt-right represent only a tiny fraction of the population and have little economic, social, or political power. But they serve as perfect fodder for a media narrative that benefits from a sky-is-falling narrative to ratchet up viewership. The narrative is fed by our vanity and desire to imagine easy solutions to complex problems (e.g. more “education,” hate speech laws, welfarism, etc.) And we play along, assuming the worst of others and issuing smug affirmations of our own superiority on Facebook and Twitter.

    In 2018 we will suffer through a round of mid-term congressional elections which will only intensify the political and cultural divide. Both political parties will use events like Charlottesville to serve their shameful partisan goals. The need for each side to vanquish the other, to punish and repudiate the other’s existence, demonstrates why politics is termed war by other means. It’s not a peaceable process. Yet underneath it all the “policy” differences between Democrats and Republicans are laughably small. Theirs is a turf battle, nothing more.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/wrong-narrative-charlottesville

    chunga Aug 14, 2017 11:01 AM
    “Americans understand viscerally that government has far too much power over who wins and loses in our society, but haven’t fully grasped the degree to which the political class benefits from division.”

    That is correct and gov/msm is clearly on the side of Antifa, BLM, etc.

    //edit//

    Here’s an example that’s going on completely unnoticed. There is a fake trial going on in Las Vegas right now concerning the ranchers/BLM. The fake judge is going mental to protect the gov.

    Eric Parker Ripped from Witness Stand

    https://redoubtnews.com/2017/08/parker-ripped-witness-stand/

    This is about “judge navarro” below.

    She has made it clear that there is no such thing as self defense against the government, or that of defending anyone else against the government. Law enforcement cannot be considered to use “excessive” force in this case. She believes that if any of this is brought to the jury, they may acquit for “jury nullification”. Navarro seems to have a pathological fear of jury nullification.
    Parker’s wife Andrea sounds off on youtube.

  37. ulvfugl says:

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    No one is trying to ‘justify’ it…they are saying there could have been a reason other than bloody-minded murder for the ploughing…like being under attack by an out-of-control mob. The minute that car gets flipped, that driver is toast, and he knows it.

    Is he seriously supposed to just roll up his windows, avoid eye contact, and pray they don’t set his car on fire with him in it?

    I’m a middle-aged woman, not at all violent, who tries to avoid conflict whereever possible. And I’ll tell you, in that situation I’d hit the gas and if that crowd didn’t part like the Red Sea I’d turn ’em into hamburger without a moment’s hesitation.

    I’d feel bad afterwards, but only a little.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/gentle-giant-james-fields-held-without-bond-said-adolf-hitlers-policies-were-good

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    There’s a depressingly tragic overtone to this whole affair that suggests the arc of history itself is driving this story – a dark animus in the national soul struggling to resolve its contradictions. And the Charlottesville incident, which left a woman dead and many others badly injured from a car-ramming, has the flavor of a “first shot” in a new civil war.

    The echo civil rights campaign of the moment — a strange brew of Black Lives Matter, “Antifa” (anti-fascist), latest-wave feminism, illegal immigrant sanctuary politics, and LGBTQQ agitation — emanates from the college campuses and creeps through the culture-at-large like a miasma, poisoning group against group, in an orgy of victimization claims of the sort that inevitably lead to violence.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/jim-kunstler-rages-against-everything-one-really-has-wonder-how-long-nonsense-goes

    The LGBTQQ movement, an offshoot of Feminism 3.0, seeks to erase biology itself as applied to human mammalian sexuality, at the same time that it wants to create new special social and political entitlements — based on various categories of sexual desire that they insist are biologically-driven, such as the urge of a man to equip himself via surgery to behave like a woman. The movement has now gone so far as to try to shame people who place themselves in the original biological categories (“cis-gender,” another grad school metaphysical jargon clot), and especially heterosexual men. Everybody else gets brownie points for being “cutting edge.” One really has to wonder how long this nonsense goes on before it provokes a reaction among the biology-literate.

    If we’re entering a new civil war, don’t make the mistake of thinking that it is the product solely of extreme right-wing yahooism. These Nazi and KKK bozos are rising up because the thinking-enabled people of the center have been too cowardly to stand up against the rising tide of idiocy festering at both ends of the spectrum, and particularly on the Left with its direct wiring to the policy-making centers of American life, dictating how people must think and act, and what they should care about.

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    Taking down pieces of American history is racist, in and of itself. It is really no different than ISIS destroying Millennia old temples and other artifacts in the Mideast. Sure, the chapter of American history that was the Civil War was a sad chapter, but it was a chapter all the same, and trying to eradicate that chapter because it “offends” you somehow is really no different from burning books.

    This is just some of the fallout from that inept passive aggressive racist clown, Barky bin Obanana, and Americans absolutely *cannot* allow it to stand, even if it means a second civil war. This is *America* FFS, not some third world shithole and if you dont like it, do us all a favor and GTFO…

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    HRH Feant2 Aug 14, 2017 1:40 PM
    Beware of waking the sleeping giant. When bankers are not sent to jail for stealing and fraud, when politicians can break the laws with impunity, when the constant message is white Christians are bad, when stupid people are given jobs or promoted based on color rather than actual qualification, do not be surprised when the sleeping giant awakens. We are armed and we are not happy. It isn’t going to take much more but I am guessing when the financial shit show happens, between the stock market, the debt ceiling, and a trade war or two, along with collapsing pensions and ever higher taxes, people will just say “oh hell no, no fucking more!” Throw in the end of welfare and niggers and spics will start burning down everything in sight, too. Civil War 2 here we come!

    By the way, US citizens have the right to freedom of association. If people want to hang out with other white people, who cares? If they like Hitler, who cares? If they are racist, I don’t care if you hate that, in the US they have the right to be racist and the right to express that political point of view in public. There may be consequences for that point of view, but they certainly have the legal right to be as racist as they want.

  39. ulvfugl says:

    An Israeli defense contractor is facing allegations that it live tested a high tech suicide drone against Armenian troops in an active battle zone. Over the weekend multiple Israeli newspapers reported that a formal complaint filed with the Israeli Defense Export Controls Agency alleges that Aeronautics Defense Systems was asked by Azerbaijan to provide a live demonstration of the Orbiter 1k armed unmanned aircraft along the disputed border area of Nagorno-Karabakh, where Azerbaijan and Armenia have intermittently clashed since 1991.

    According to reports, Aeronautics Defense Systems representatives were in Azerbaijan – a country which has recently purchased close to $5 billion worth of military hardware from Israel – in order to close a contract for the firm’s latest advanced drone. The Orbiter 1k drone is capable of delivering 1-2 kilograms worth of explosives contained in its fuselage if flown directly into a target as the latest in a series of “suicide drones” produced and marketed by the Israeli firm. Azerbaijan government officials reportedly requested that the Israeli drone operators provide a live demo by deploying an armed Orbiter 1k against a military position of the Armenian army. When the drone operators refused, company management took over and deployed the aircraft. The Israeli daily Haaretz presents an account of the incident as follows:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/israeli-suicide-drone-maker-accused-live-demo-targeting-armenian-troops

    So called “Kamikaze” drones are a new and scary technology in warfare. Multiple Israeli companies are developing and exporting the systems.

    The current scandal involving Aeronautics Defense Systems follows an April 2016 sighting of a similar Israeli-made drone over the disputed Armenia-Azerbaijan border region. In that incident a suicide drone called a ‘Harop’, made by another Israel based company, Israel Aerospace Industries, rammed an Armenian military bus, killing seven. The Washington Post reported at the time:

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    The following is an excerpt from the foreword of the new book No Go Zones: How Sharia Law is Coming to a Neighborhood Near You, written by Breitbart London Editor in Chief Raheem Kassam.

    When Raheem told me he was writing this book on No Go Zones in the Western world, my first reaction was “Thank goodness someone is doing this job.”

    My second thought was, “I hope he’s careful.” The reason for my first response is probably self-explanatory. This is an issue that is so contentious mainly because no one has yet documented these areas as comprehensively as Raheem does in this book.

    It’s a topic that is marred by half-truths, full denials, slips of tongues, and an attempt to reject the notion of such areas in such a brazen and unfounded manner that much of the establishment media that spends its time in denial can truly wear the title “Fake News” proudly.

    Now, I’m pleased to say, they have a very good starting point by which to judge the merits of the debates on integration, assimilation, and the scale and speed of migration into the West.

    My second thought on the book was multifaceted.

    Firstly, people who speak out against radical Islam, highlighting issues such as Sharia law, terrorism, and indeed things that shouldn’t be contentious like integration are often targeted, abused, endure massive attempts at being discredited, or even find themselves on the receiving end of threats or violence.

    As a personal friend, I am sincerely concerned that such brave truth-telling on the subject might find Raheem on the receiving end of some of this.

    But as a professional colleague, I was also concerned at the scale of the task. How can you, I wondered, summarize so much, over so many decades, in so many places around the Western world in just one book?

    I’m delighted to say after having read this book that Raheem has done an excellent job in balancing hard data and statistics, and using multiple areas from around Europe and the United States in his attempt to fairly portray the issues facing majority Muslim areas in the West.

    And it’s not just that, either.

    From Molenbeek to Malmö, from Brooklyn to Hamtramck, each of these areas has its own, unique characteristics. Its own players. Its own resistance movements. The personal stories and interviews contained in this book shine a much-needed light on how actors, from residents to local officials, politicians, and pressure groups, all play into the massive discord taking place in areas across Europe and America.

    Truly, the final product is one that bears reading, citing, and even corroborating by other journalists, who I implore to follow Raheem’s lead in getting to the bottom of these issues.

    Of course, with any book of this length, there is so much more to tell, and I hope Raheem can follow up with more information, more trips, more investigation, and more documentation of what is going on in our towns and cities.

    I also want to take the opportunity to commend his fair mindedness on this issue. Raheem has been careful not to portray—as someone more alarmist might—these communities as marauding, out of control groups intent on the decline of the West.

    In a lot of instances in fact, the people who find themselves ghettoized and demonized from all sides are victims themselves of their community leaders and actors who want to drive a wedge between migrant communities and native populations. The work concerning poverty and socioeconomic factors is pivotal. The work on Deobandism and the Tablighi Jamaat movement is seminal. And the work contained in this book on the aggravating factors—usually the establishment, the political Left—is a warning sign to America to stand up and assert its identity, enforce its laws, and demand integration before it is too late for many places in the United States.

    There will of course be plenty of critics of this book. They’ll ask questions like, “If these places are really ‘No Go’, how come you were able to go there?”

    The answer should of course be obvious if you read the text. Raheem timed his visits carefully, didn’t seek to antagonize locals with video cameras, and in some cases—already reported by news organizations across the board—managed to luckily avoid mass incidents of violence and rioting by a matter of hours.

    In short: it was due to the studiousness of his approach that he managed to fairly document his experiences and put together a piece of work that will stand the test of time both academically and from a philosophical perspective.

    It should be required reading for conservatives, Republicans, liberals, teachers, students, reporters, editors, and activists alike. And I’m delighted he has managed to resist tabloid-style presentation, and painstakingly sought out reliable sources, high-level interviews, and even hard-to-come-by data on topics like crime, imprisonment, and more.

    If you do one thing after picking up this book, I recommend this: buy it for, or recommend it to, someone else too, and do your part to help settle the debate we shouldn’t even be having— whether or not these areas exist.

    Only by leaping this hurdle can we get onto the real debate: what should we do about it, now that it is on our shores?

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/14/exclusive-nigel-farages-foreword-for-raheem-kassams-no-go-zones-book-out-today/

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    Really good, imo…

    ‘I can’t believe anything that’s happened to me for a whole year…’

    🙂

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